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Post by Apollo the Just » Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:54 pm

MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE



By complete accident on my last PB I realized that you could slide off one of the elevators with the dialogue prompt up. I was going fast so I didn't have time to experiment, but it seemed like an odd quirk that might be exploitable. Decided to sit down with it today, and found that you are able to diagonally slide off this elevator by doing so and squeeze into a passage you're not supposed to be able to access, saving about a minute and some change because you don't have to unlock the blue and red gates in order to proceed.

Skip happens at about the 30 second mark.

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Post by DarkZero » Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:00 pm

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Post by Apollo the Just » Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:57 pm

I think it's poetic that this was my absolute least favorite part of the game casually - I dreaded it every time for over a decade - and now I never have to do it again assuming this is consistent. :,)

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:59 pm

That's pretty neat. You're going to end up on Summoning Salt's channel at this rate.

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Post by Apollo the Just » Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:02 am

unfortunately for some reason [can't fathom really] most people don't care about a 6+ hour jrpg speedrun only 11 people have been obsessive enough to do (for gc ng+ anyway). :(

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:05 am

Yeah, speedrunning anything is kinda daunting imo, I can't imagine doing an RPG. That's more impressive to me, really.

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Post by I am nobody » Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:14 am

It was @Valigarmander , right? Val's such a cool guy.

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Post by Apollo the Just » Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:15 am

i heard he even made a really awesome super mario bros doom mod. it was probably him

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Post by Valigarmander » Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:35 am

It's true, it was me. Here is video proof.
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Post by Marilink » Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:18 am

Yo this is rad.

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Post by smol Kat » Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:07 pm

Apollo the Just wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:57 pm
I think it's poetic that this was my absolute least favorite part of the game casually - I dreaded it every time for over a decade - and now I never have to do it again assuming this is consistent. :,)
I honestly feel this on a deeply personal level and hope you can get it to be consistent.

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Post by Apollo the Just » Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:43 am

Not that this is relevant to anyone in the world who isn't me, since literally no one else speedruns this game anymore, but I got it to be consistent with a certain setup. It's quite possible that this is what pushes me to 2nd place if I get a run where everything else also goes well. :)


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Post by Marilink » Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:19 am

Not relevant?? Surely you jest. This is great

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Post by Apollo the Just » Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:55 pm

well i meant more that unlike finding something in OoT this currently impacts virtually nobody who isn't me LOL

although if you're like me and you hate this segment casually you could just use this and skip it. we think it might be GC exclusive because they patched how the initial slide works in later versions. no one's tested yet

edit: i should upload a clickbait tutorial on youtube.. "Tales of Symphonia HACK: SKIP the red and blue gates?????" and then only mention it's GC exclusive in the comments after i get the clicks

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Post by smol Kat » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:13 pm

please make the clickbaity thing
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Post by Hotel Security » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:15 pm

(unfortunately for some reason [can't fathom really] most people don't care about a 6+ hour jrpg speedrun only 11 people have been obsessive enough to do (for gc ng+ anyway). :()

I'm rarely impressed with any RPG speedrun. What is it impressive to see a run which is about avoiding battles, skipping large amounts of content, exploiting sequence-breaks and glitches and barely involves any form of reflexes at all?

I understand strategies are needed to low-level the bosses but one can look all of those up and copy them and even then you may as well just do a low-level run and not skip all the content.

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Post by DarkZero » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:26 pm

idk pal if you dont think beating a 40-50 hour game in a mere 6 is impressive on its own then i dont know what to tell you
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Post by I am nobody » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:48 pm

Gonna go out on a limb and say nobody is doing those runs to impress you, so it's just as well, really.

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Post by Apollo the Just » Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:43 pm

Hotel Security wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:15 pm
(unfortunately for some reason [can't fathom really] most people don't care about a 6+ hour jrpg speedrun only 11 people have been obsessive enough to do (for gc ng+ anyway). :()

I'm rarely impressed with any RPG speedrun. What is it impressive to see a run which is about avoiding battles, skipping large amounts of content, exploiting sequence-breaks and glitches and barely involves any form of reflexes at all?

I understand strategies are needed to low-level the bosses but one can look all of those up and copy them and even then you may as well just do a low-level run and not skip all the content.
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Hello. I'm under the impression you've never tried speedrunning Tales of Symphonia. By all means, try to beat jay's world record. I'll happily watch with popcorn. I've been working at it for two solid years, and after discovering a 1.5 minute time save, I am only close to perhaps beating second place at my current level.

I don't think you are quite grasping the sheer level of expertise that is required to optimize this run. It's more than maintaining ABSOLUTE FOCUS for 6 STRAIGHT HOURS. It's more than memorizing exactly where to go and what to do and when to be mashing buttons and already pressing the control stick in the correct direction before you've even entered the next room. It's absolute and complete MASTERY of the game's real-time battle system.

You need to know how to spell cancel, and in Regal's case that means holding L while you alternate between left B, down B, and neutral B with perfect timing to maintain your combo while also spamming the up and down C-stick to constantly macro the AI - BUT keeping an eye on the combo counter, because as soon as it exceeds 20-30 you need to drop the combo to prevent causing a tech down which generally loses about 10-15 seconds per fight. Years of research have gone into optimizing the correct EX skills for optimal party setups. Before each fight, we have tested party setups, timed hundreds of fight samples for the best times, and compared that to the time it takes to set up those parties in that menu, in order to find the optimal route.

The people who speedrun these games are perfectly okay skipping "all the content" because we love these games enough that we have the lore memorized anyway. I played ToS fourteen times casually. I know the content. Now, I have a measurable way to prove that I am literally better at the game than everyone else except 2 people.

Try it. There's an extensive route documented on SRC slash tos. I doubt you'll get into the single digits without practicing your ass off.

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Post by smol Kat » Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:57 pm

Apollo the Just wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:43 pm
Try it. There's an extensive route documented on SRC slash tos. I doubt you'll get into the single digits without practicing your ass off.
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