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Post by Valigarmander » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:15 am

Still, nobody seems to have much of a problem overlooking how he came to Earth intent on killing its inhabitants, or how his underlings succeeded in killing four of the Z Fighters, or how he massacred an entire village on Namek, or how he allowed himself to be consumed by Babidi's power and began indiscriminately killing people just so his gay crush would notice fight him, thus ensuring Buu's revival and the doom of the entire planet, or that he's just a raging ******* in general.

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Post by Apollo the Just » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:32 am

Well, see, he's eventually a better dad than Goku so it's all good. :tongue:
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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:36 am

He also saved their lives so I guess they figure it evens out, haha.

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Post by Apollo the Just » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:42 am

Man, this topic is making me realize what a damn sucker for cliches I am. Like, throw that **** at me, all of it, please, just give it all to me I'm 10000% here for it.

Another favorite cliche/trope is...... idk how else to put it other than, like.... symbolic dismemberment? Kubo's one missing eye in Kubo and the Two Strings paired with all of the eyes-as-humanity imagery, Hiccup's missing leg to parallel Toothless's missing tail in How to Train Your Dragon, that kind of ****. Literally sign me the **** up
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Post by Valigarmander » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:08 am

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Yeah, I kind of like that too.

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Post by CaptHayfever » Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:46 am

[QUOTE="Valigarmander, post: 1622058, member: 30663"]Remorseless mass-murderer has a sudden change of heart and is "redeemed", and so all of their past actions are swiftly forgiven and forgotten about (see Darth Vader, Vegeta, etc.).[/QUOTE] If Vader's past actions were so quickly forgiven & forgotten, there wouldn't be a Kylo Ren.
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Post by HeterodoxalVoxel » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:49 am

I have yet to read a great story focused on mecha, but I LOVE seeing unique stories with mechs. Like when the mechs are named after something, the mechs all have a design theme, etc.

As excited as I get to see things like this, it never really ends up being outstanding.

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Post by SmoothOperator » Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:50 pm

I hate how comedic films and TV shows portray parents as unintelligent morons. It was originally done as a subversion to the “Father knows best” societal construct of the 1950’s. You’d think that after 50+ years of subverting this it’d stop being funny, but I guess that the entertainment industry doesn’t get it.

One thing that I notice that I hate is that almost every movie has to have a love interest. I hate this so much because the love interest seems to exist solely to deepen the main protag’s depth as a character. With out the main character a love interest doesn’t seem to… really exist? Like if you were to run into them without the main protag they'd probably be wondering how the protag is doing. Most love interests have the personality of a ham sandwich. No tomato, lettuce, onions, or condiments, just ham. Boooorriing.

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Post by Apollo the Just » Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:13 pm

^ I feel you so **** hard on the love interest thing. 10000% over it. Develop your platonic relationships convincingly enough that they have meaning rather than slapping on a half-baked romantic subplot for Teh Feelz.

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I'm a complete sucker for that shot when Friend A has been beaten to a pulp after putting in their all in a fight, but they're at their limit and lying on the floor unable to get back up, and then FRIEND B shows up outta ****-all nowhere in a BIG HERO MOMENT to SAVE THE DAY with the "how dare you do this to my homie" pose. You know the shot I'm talking about. Friend B in the foreground looking pissed and/or determined. One hand is possibly even in a fist, ready to take on the villain, with the other arm extended protectively. Friend A is lying in the background, relieved but also looking kinda like death. "I'll take it from here," says this cliche. "You just rest up." "Th-thank you for coming, even after-" "No. Don't say anything. I'm just glad you're alive.... and I'm sorry."

This cliche is also good because it often comes with the implication that Friend B is carrying on the will and passion of whatever Friend A was fighting for all along; it is a moment of understanding and camaraderie. ((And badassery.)) It is definitely at its best if it's after an angsty fight between the two friends.

Anyway. I love that stuff. I kind of want to include a million screenshots but I'm at work rn, maybe later.
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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:53 pm

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Image[DOUBLEPOST=1488923635,1488923340][/DOUBLEPOST][QUOTE="HeterodoxalVoxel, post: 1622088, member: 40370"]I have yet to read a great story focused on mecha, but I LOVE seeing unique stories with mechs. Like when the mechs are named after something, the mechs all have a design theme, etc.

As excited as I get to see things like this, it never really ends up being outstanding.[/QUOTE]

Have you watched G Gundam?

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Post by Apollo the Just » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:01 pm

So I realized I'm thinking of 2 different cliches that I really love, which may or may not overlap.

The shot is one thing. I know I've seen it in a ton of other stuff but right now this is the only example I can think of, literally don't ask why this is the first one to come to mind:

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And the other thing I love is after Friend A and Friend B have an angsty falling out and they think things are over between them, and then it's only when in a life or death situation that one of them comes to the other's aid. Usually they don't have time to explain or try to make up, so it's understood that their bond is important enough that even without hearing an apology (or the other side at all), they'll trust and protect their friend. It's So Good.

The best example of this of course is the return of Mimi the Feebas in the Ruby/Sapphire chapter of Pokémon Adventures. The last time they had met, Ruby lashed out at her in a stressed out spoiled protag tantrum, despite everything she had ever done for him, and she left and he lost her in the flood (a lot happened). Despite how terribly he treated her, and how she'd always been called ugly and useless, when his entire team had been wiped out by Archie and Maxie she returned and singlehandedly stood up to defend him:

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.......yes I own this volume in Japanese because I bought it when I went to Japan and it was important dammit.

(This scene is even BETTER because then right AFTER, Mimi gets knocked out and Ruby apologizes to her and picks her up to protect her and lectures Archie on the true meaning of beauty and. Its a DOUBLE UP on the protecting-ur-fallen-friend-after-a-falling-out trope. It's so good guys)
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Post by е и ժ е я » Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:21 am

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy because that's my enemy.
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Post by ScottyMcGee » Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:44 am

Kids who have had zero experience piloting a mech or whatever but read the manual once and suddenly they can be on par with war veterans twice their age.

Octavia Spencer plays big sassy wise black woman

White rich guy is really the man pulling the strings behind everything

There's a Hispanic in an action movie/action comedy movie? A million bucks says he's a comic relief character who has been to jail and talks like he's from the hood or he's involved in drugs. Typically played by either

[SPOILER="this guy"]
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or

[SPOILER="this guy"]
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Post by Valigarmander » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:36 am

I don't usually like the concept of destiny in fiction, especially prophecies and "chosen ones". It can be cool if there's some kind of well-written twist to the formula, but that rarely seems to be the case.

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Post by Apollo the Just » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:56 am

^ I definitely get where you're coming from, but I think for me that one's not always a turn off. Sometimes a story plays it straight in a way that I still find really satisfying - I love the HTTYD book series even though it is basically just that trope exactly, because the whole point is that Hiccup absolutely detests everything about being the Chosen Hero and all he wants is to be like the other kids, but the gods have it out for him and force a grand destiny on him. So it's like, there's no real twist behind it or anything, it's the same old Chosen One Protag Has A Grand Destiny To Fulfill, but it's a source of conflict which made it interesting IMO. Idk I can definitely get behind that cliche if the story and characterization are compelling. But I definitely get that it's probably predictable, lazy, or boring for a lot of people.
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Post by Apollo the Just » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:07 am

I really love the "old symbols can take on new meanings" cliche. Like when a mark of shame is recontextualized into a badge of honor, or a traditional heirloom is passed down and plays a new/unconventional and important role in its new hands (instead of remaining unchanged or true to its history). It's like the opposite of "this item was destined to fulfill a certain role" and is instead "this item's bearer has created a new destiny and breathed new life for it." It's good ****.
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Post by Apollo the Just » Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:56 am

Soft boy/teen protag with magic powers + awkward jerk-with-a-heart-of-gold surrogate dad/mentor = best cliche.

We know exactly how it's gonna go: protag seeks approval, constantly **** up and gets his ass saved by grumpy mentor, there's a Moment wherein this dynamic ends (usually bc grumpy mentor is all "I'm disappointed in you" and protag is all "UR NOT MY REAL DAD" and they Go Their Separate Ways, or grumpy mentor sacrifices himself to save protag; w/e) and then protag has to prove himself entirely on his own against the BIGGEST OBSTACLE YET, and he succeeds in a crowning moment of triumph/heartwarming and grumpy mentor-now-basically-dad is impressed + gives the Dad Approval and they now have a mutual respect & understanding of one another that is on more equal ground.

It's the same every time and I EAT IT UP EVERY TIME.
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Post by X-3 » Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:36 am

You mean Tales of Symphonia 2?

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Post by Apollo the Just » Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:51 am

You're **** banned
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Post by Apollo the Just » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:21 am

--ALSO,, if anything it suits the original Tales of Symphonia far better as far as compelling development between idealistic protags and disillusioned mentor-dads is concerned; ALSO ALSO ToS2 is disqualified by nature of being a terrible game with bad writing that butchers the plot of the original and the development of returning characters
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