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Re: Cliches you like/dislike.

Post by Apollo the Just » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:12 pm

Val's post reminded me -- I am the biggest sucker for the mismatched eyes cliche. Kubo and the Two Strings, Artemis Fowl, Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle...... I absolutely cannot get enough of that ****.

I am also down with red protag eyes. But only if they're permanently red. Just an anime ass dude/lady with red ass eyes because anime. None of that ToS2 "ONLY RED WHEN POSSESSED BY THE dEMONIC pOWER,," bull.

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Post by Valigarmander » Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:17 am

Bump. I was going to make a new topic, but I realized I could just fit it into this thread.

It really bugs me when fantasy/sci-fi writers invent names for characters or places or things and then sprinkle them with dashes/apostrophes/diacritics that don't serve any purpose other than to make the word look more exotic. One thing I really appreciated about The Lord of the Rings when I read it was how well this trope was avoided, Tolkien himself being a philologist.

It also bothers me when a supposedly-alien language follows English conventions (feminine names ending with "-a" or "-ia", complete lack of consonant or vowel sounds not used natively in English, etc.).

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Post by I am nobody » Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:20 am

^I mostly agree with that, but I think the last point is defensible in text. It might not be 100% believable that the aliens have exactly the same phonetics as Earth languages do, but I'd much rather that than be asked to pronounce a%f&b.

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Post by Booyakasha » Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:34 am

^^Sometimes the apostrophes have a purpose. In Klingon, the apostrophe represents a glottal stop. (Man. Klingons are a bunch of friggin dweebos. I liked them when I was a kid, because I was a dweebenheimer, too. Nowadays I'm more for the Romulans. What a bunch of sneaky bastards. I love 'em, man. Underhanded is underrated. Also they paint big dang raptors on their ships-----------like who doesn't love that. Federation don't do nose art. Lame.)
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Post by CaptHayfever » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:45 pm

^Klingon is using the apostrophes correctly, then. Martian Manhunter (J'onn J'onzz, pronounced "John Jones" with no glottal stops) is not.

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Post by Booyakasha » Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:02 pm

^Isn't that meant to be a joke, though? Like, he's a man from Mars, and he's called dang John Jones. I thought it was funny. I mean, kind of funny, anyway.
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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:54 pm

I like the cliches they recycle and repackage in DBZ and DBS. I like how Goku just gets an asspull powerup or transformation and can stand up against the enemy. The latest one, Ultra Instinct, isn't perfect but they sure did a good job of giving it an epic introduction.

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Post by CaptHayfever » Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:19 pm

^^Yeah, but the apostrophes make it look like we're supposed to insert glottal stops.

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Post by Booyakasha » Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:29 pm

...

...YOU'RE A GLOTTAL STOP
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Re: Cliches you like/dislike.

Post by I am nobody » Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:33 pm

My friend built his whole house out of apostrophes, but it didn't save him in the Great Glottal Stampede of '76. Ain't no stopping a glottal once it's set its mind to something.

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Post by Booyakasha » Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:46 pm

i think all aliens should just talk like jarjar binks---------------that'd be better
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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:48 am

all aliens should be jarjar binks

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Post by ScottyMcGee » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:13 am

Every time I think of a cliche I run to this thread only to forget what it was before I can post it.

OH.

Now I remember.

It occurred to me during the movie Black Panther.

I'm getting really tired seeing the protagonist going to a group of supporting characters all like "help me fight the villain" and they're like "Sorry, no" but then during the final battle at a crucial life-or-death moment - SURPRISE! The supporting characters DO CARE AFTER ALL!

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Post by Apollo the Just » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:33 pm

Angsty relationships between short-lived humans and **** thousand-year-old magic beings in fantasy are a good ass cliche. The whole "as long as you're alive to remember me" and crap, I live for that. And the "I've been alive for so many centuries your lifespan is a blink of an eye to me." I don't care if every single fantasy piece with elves in it ever has already done the elves-being-angsty-about-outliving-their-human-friends thing; they should KEEP doing it because it's good.

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Post by Booyakasha » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:47 pm

^I don't know, man,

The ponies show. Like, I'm kind of happy for Twilight, now that she's a quasi-immortal demigoddess and all. But wowie zowie, I sure don't want to see her weeping over Applejack's grave, or Rainbow Dash's, or Rarity's. Or Apple Bloom's. Gods below, what an absolute bummer that'd be.

I don't even wanna think about Applejack dying. That's off-limits. I'd probably cry.
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Post by Apollo the Just » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:53 pm

Eh I mean I just think it's better when fiction addresses the lifespan discrepancy over when it doesn't. Not saying that kind of angst is fitting in MLP, but it's certainly welcome elsewhere IMO.

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Re: Cliches you like/dislike.

Post by Booyakasha » Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:32 pm

Oh, of course Hasbro would never put out a 'Pinkie Pie's Funeral' playset, complete with balloon-adorned pink coffin. And yet it's in the headspace, and not just because of the fanfics and RDP. Pinkie must die someday, right. And if Twilight is an immortal, she must be there. It simply has to be. It's kind of tragic. (lol friendship is tragic)

One wonders if Hasbro thought at all about anything at all before they stuck wings and a crown on Twily. Betcha they didn't much.

(EDIT: Oh, man. Is Steven Universe immortal, too? Steven's gonna outlive Connie. I sure as heck don't wanna see that ep. Jiminy criminy, dude.)
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