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Character Who Could Beat Goku Of The Month: Suggestion Thread!

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Post by SmackDownPete » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:29 pm

I'm sure Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen would have absolutely no problems defeating Goku.

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Post by Apollo the Just » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:44 pm

^^ I'm not sure I or this forum is prepared for the **** that topic would devolve into.

..............considers it
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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:13 pm

[QUOTE="SmackDownPete, post: 1616206, member: 40038"]I'm sure Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen would have absolutely no problems defeating Goku.[/QUOTE]

What level of strength and speed does he have? It would help determine what level of power he has, and that would dictate how well his special abilities would affect Goku.

[QUOTE="Santa CLause, post: 1616210, member: 30977"]^^ I'm not sure I or this forum is prepared for the ****storm that topic would devolve into.

..............considers it [/QUOTE]

goku almost killed him throwing a baseball

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Post by Apollo the Just » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:17 pm

^ ah, but he survived the blast, whereas it can be assumed that most others wouldn't have. He wasn't even in any SSJ transformation or prepared in the slightest when he took the hit head on... and he lived, barely scratched. ;)
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Post by Valigarmander » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:19 pm

hey remember when frieza nearly killed gohan with a single punch to the gut

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Post by Apollo the Just » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:21 pm

remember when gohan killed cell with one arm

.....but, come on, we are all dismissing the real strongest character here. this conversation is a farce.

[spoiler=DBS 70]Yamcha survived a brawl between gods with no cover. Yamcha is the real strongest character.[/spoiler]
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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:26 pm

[QUOTE="Santa CLause, post: 1616223, member: 30977"]^ ah, but he survived the blast, whereas it can be assumed that most others wouldn't have. He wasn't even in any SSJ transformation or prepared in the slightest when he took the hit head on... and he lived, barely scratched. :wink: [/QUOTE]

Good point, he wasn't transformed, but he was prepared for it, and he said he almost died (probably not as close as Yamcha but still hurt; Champa did commend him for surviving it though so points for that). And still, it was just a baseball throw, haha.

[QUOTE="Santa CLause, post: 1616225, member: 30977"]remember when gohan killed cell with one arm

.....but, come on, we are all dismissing the real strongest character here. this conversation is a farce.

[spoiler=DBS 70]Yamcha survived a brawl between gods with no cover. Yamcha is the real strongest character.[/spoiler][/QUOTE]

Cell was weaker than SSj1 Vegeta by the beginning of the Buu Saga though, so that feat is pretty much obsolete now. And yes, I so nerdily power scaled that and will use it at every chance to defend Yamcha lol.

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Post by Valigarmander » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:35 pm

[QUOTE="Santa CLause, post: 1616225, member: 30977"]remember when gohan killed cell with one arm[/QUOTE]
Goku killed Demon King Piccolo short one arm and both legs. :crossedarms:

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Post by Apollo the Just » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:37 pm

^ yeah well nevar forget: Piccolo killed Goku later

the fact that this was part of goku's plan notwithstanding
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Post by CaptHayfever » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:26 pm

[QUOTE="I REALLY HATE PRESENTS!, post: 1616222, member: 18119"]What level of strength and speed does he have? It would help determine what level of power he has, and that would dictate how well his special abilities would affect Goku.[/QUOTE] Strength: Variable. He can literally make himself stronger at will.
Speed: Instantaneous. He can teleport, & he can use his telepathic-disintegration power as soon as he thinks to do so.
Also worth noting: He's reformed himself twice after being disintegrated, so don't make Ozymandias's mistake & think that'll work again.

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:26 pm

[QUOTE="CaptHayfever, post: 1616278, member: 25169"]Strength: Variable. He can literally make himself stronger at will.
Speed: Instantaneous. He can teleport, & he can use his telepathic-disintegration power as soon as he thinks to do so.
Also worth noting: He's reformed himself twice after being disintegrated, so don't make Ozymandias's mistake & think that'll work again.

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Is there an upper limit to his strength, either according to himself or his universe's rules? If, for example, he caps at universal destruction then his even his version of infinite strength would be weak compared to Goku. I think DC has went as high as multiversal destruction though, but I'm not a big DC fan. As for speed, it can be broken down into two main types, combat speed and travel speed. Neither of them are related to teleportation which is not speed, just appearing somewhere else, no ground is covered and so no speed is involved and wouldn't factor into a calculation for speed. Supreme Kai can teleport too but he's slow otherwise.

Also, it should be noted that even an immortal being without a proper physical form can be killed by someone strong enough in Dragon Ball. Any ability or power can be overcome with a high enough Power Level. Of course, Goku hasn't shown that level of strength yet, only Zeno has, but still worth noting.

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Post by Apollo the Just » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:28 pm

Alternatively, since we are going into a new year full of new beginnings, we could change this monthly recurring thread series to "Characters Yamcha Could Beat Of The Month."

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:30 pm

^ That would be more interesting, a wider pool of characters could be proposed to beat him.

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Post by Apollo the Just » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:35 pm

First installment of Characters Yamcha Could Beat Of The Month:

[spoiler]Goku.[/spoiler]
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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:44 pm

maybe at the beginning of dragon ball actually

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Post by DarkZero » Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:32 pm

Proposition for a character:

Mario (as controlled by pannenkoek2012)

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Post by CaptHayfever » Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:42 pm

[QUOTE="I REALLY HATE PRESENTS!, post: 1616297, member: 18119"]Is there an upper limit to his strength, either according to himself or his universe's rules? If, for example, he caps at universal destruction then his even his version of infinite strength would be weak compared to Goku. I think DC has went as high as multiversal destruction though, but I'm not a big DC fan. As for speed, it can be broken down into two main types, combat speed and travel speed. Neither of them are related to teleportation which is not speed, just appearing somewhere else, no ground is covered and so no speed is involved and wouldn't factor into a calculation for speed. Supreme Kai can teleport too but he's slow otherwise.[/QUOTE] Upper strength limit: No such limit is ever discussed in Watchmen. It appears to be almost Green-Lantern-esque, where the only limiting factor is his own mindset.
Combat speed: Addressed by "can blow people up the instant he thinks to do so".
Travel speed: Not sure how teleportation isn't travel. He can also replicate himself & thus be in several places at once.

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:32 pm

[QUOTE="CaptHayfever, post: 1616319, member: 25169"]Upper strength limit: No such limit is ever discussed in Watchmen. It appears to be almost Green-Lantern-esque, where the only limiting factor is his own mindset.
Combat speed: Addressed by "can blow people up the instant he thinks to do so".
Travel speed: Not sure how teleportation isn't travel. He can also replicate himself & thus be in several places at once.

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If his strength limit hasn't been discussed, then what's been shown? I only know him from the movie, and in it he was wrecking normal humans but that's about it. If he's never shown more than that or at least stated more (statements are taken on a case-by-case basis in the absence of feats or evidence), then I'd say a reasonable assumption based on what I know of his story would be universal level. Anything more would seem to be unreasonable speculation to me, probably relying on a "no limits fallacy" to extrapolate more power than there is.

Combat speed pretty much usually refers to one's ability to move and react in combat, so it is possible someone can move faster than the eye can see in bursts during combat and react to similar speeds, but not actually travel very fast (only traveling distances at 100 mph), for example (fiction is weird). So even if I could teleport I still wouldn't be able to keep up in a fight with Superman, that's combat speed. As for travel speed, since no distance was actually covered in teleportation it isn't an accurate representation of travel speed, mostly because in teleportation no space has actually been traversed (definition: travel across or through), you only ended up in another location without going across or through anything. Travel speed generally doesn't have much, if any, meaning in a fight though, so I was just clarifying that speed is usually regarded differently from an ability like teleportation.

As for him blowing people up as soon as he thinks to, that is a difficult speed to quantify unless his thought speed has been stated (Flash thinks as fast as he runs, for example). Also, in which case if it relies on thought and not power it should count as an ability so its effectiveness would scale with his strength to see if it would affect Goku, and if he's universal then it shouldn't at this point.

I think that replicating himself could be pretty dangerous, though. In a fight with no rules I'm pretty sure that alone could put him over on Goku.

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Post by Speed » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:37 pm

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Post by е и ժ е я » Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:08 am

Dr. Manhattan can appear in any location he desires, and can exist simultaneously beside himself. He essentially can transmute and rearrange all matter in an instant. He's basically capable of omnipotence and is infinitely powerful, much moreso than Green Lantern. He cannot be destroyed, as he is actually an immaterial manifestation of will which rearranges matter as it deigns. At first he still thinks like a man and interacts with others as you might expect, but eventually human matters become insignificant and uninteresting to him. It's a lot like suggesting Goku fight an abstract concept. He's allegory for (atomic) destruction in the most obvious fashion, not really a character so much as deus ex machina.
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